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Yair
post Jun 11 2008, 05:29 PM
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As the title says, I'm interested in opinions.


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post Jun 12 2008, 11:06 AM
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I don't understand the langauge usd in the music.

The video aws well done. Like the the movie "Brazil", after viewing it multiple times I came away wondering "What was that all about?"

I liked the shadow of of the grim reaper with head on the skull (about 2:30 into it, using a shadow to fore-shadow) as well as the whale swimming bewteen alternating trees. If pressed I would have to say its the story of two friends that have taken two seperate paths. One to short term pleasure followed by enternal flight from a whale dispatched by an under-wear clad congregation. The other took the less pleasing path that ultimatly culminated in his death and resurection. The signifigance of the donkey still evades me. It was an asset in much of the journey but could not carry him the final miles, although it was there to great the resurected.

Now it is my turn!

What do the words say?

How did you find it?

What do you think?

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post Jun 12 2008, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE (neB @ Jun 12 2008, 02:06 PM) *
I liked the shadow of of the grim reaper with head on the skull (about 2:30 into it, using a shadow to fore-shadow) as well as the whale swimming bewteen alternating trees.Ben

These are my two favorite images as well. I want to give it a couple of days and see if anyone else has anything to add before commenting on the rest.

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post Jun 12 2008, 07:00 PM
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Amerikanisatiton !!! I see it in this movie.

Can be thistwo frends are Iran and Iraq ?

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post Jun 12 2008, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (Eugen Graf @ Jun 12 2008, 10:00 PM) *
Amerikanisatiton !!! I see it in this movie.

Can you explain what you mean?

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post Jun 12 2008, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE (Yen @ Jun 12 2008, 09:39 PM) *
Can you explain what you mean?



Not really. But it's my impression.

It shouldn't be so, but I think two brothers Iran and Iraq have different fortunes and this story says about it. Peoples are amerikans who meet one of brother and he converts from one figure to other if he jumps into the hole.

In really the story may say some other, but I think my impression is no too false. It can be something like this.

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Ben's comments remind me a couple of books I read, I don't know if it coud be related to religion or more globaly to spirituality but the wales (or sometimes daulphin) makes me think of something of that kind.
My understanding of this video is not clear in my own mind, at first it left me kind of sad and after wiewing it a couple of times I felt chilled out and - not faithfull but - hopefull.
I couldn't say why ohmy.gif

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post Jun 12 2008, 11:33 PM
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Its not French then?

Leviathan?

Its was involved in both scenarios but only one was pursued by it.

The scene were you can see that the one in the suit was the one that choose his card seems signifigant.

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Yair:

I finally had a chance to view it a few times while my son trashed the living room in a matter of minutes at home (no access from work).
Didn't look up the source nor the context, and I'm definitely not a film critic. Here are my observations and interpretations, not necessarily my beliefs or opinions.
Good imagery and foreshadowing, appealing music though I don't know the translation. At the end I interpolated "Shine my shoes, then I die, they are done" biggrin.gif


Glowing temple or crypt transitioning to a street light illuminated, shade wearing, 4 fingered?, hawker (akin to Morpheus and Neo choosing between the red or the blue), control and choice is an illusion.
Suit goat guy initally reaches for the smaller card then takes bigger one instead.
Whale shapes in the clouds, water ripples in sky, bird shape in mountains transition to a bird flying. More whales between the trees (cool effect).
Donkey kicks off suit goat guy after he looks back possibly questioning his choice. Why does he taste the dirt?
X marks the spot? Not really, it is actually a cross. Looks like LAVA down there too ohmy.gif
Suit goat guy dresses up for the final leap. Goat eyes are so cool.
Climbs back out of the hole as a small donkey with a shred of a tie on. Has lots to learn possibly, confirmed with a nod to the much larger donkey. Didn't Jesus ride on a Donkey?
The other goat guy, I have no idea. Goats are cool.

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Thanks Yair, you sucked me in, at least not into the 5th Dimentia. thumbup1.gif

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post Jun 15 2008, 10:23 AM
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hello Yair

refreshing song. thanks for sharing it.
the graphics are well tought and worked. interresting while sad and in a sense horrifying.
the lyrics are not self explanatory, and i am not sure it is good. connection to the pitures is vague.

need to hear and watch another few times beofre i decide if i like or not. the whole thing is very artistic of a Bjork kind, yet surrounded by such sadness it is difficult to enjoy.

please do expand on its origin ( singer?)

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post Jun 15 2008, 01:50 PM
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Is anyone clear on the language of the song?

The guteral sound is what made me first think Frnch but if its not french then maybe its hebrew. When I double clciked on Yair's link the YuoTube page had hebrew replies (since (I think) hebrew occationally imbeds words within words I don't know enough to be able to use my hebrew-english lexicon). I had once read that all hebrew music was written in a minor key (is that an over generalization?) so this music passes that test.

SO now I want to think this is a story of Isreal.

The swimmer represent those that choose the remain in the diaspora and the suit goat represents those that returned. The pursuit by the whale repesnts the persecution by the christian ( water is used to symbolize baptism) (trying to live according to Mosaic law in christian countries).

The card sharkster was that counsel by the allies after WWII that decide they would create Isreal. (Side observations: Most cartoons hands are rendered such that they have only four finger (three plus thumb) the goat guys have five. ???)

The mule was the US and Great Britain who encouraged the creation of Isreal and fostered the migration. The mule did not aide in the final work and the suit goat had to do it alone.

After making the leap into nationhood and then passing by fire (military action) the emerged as a small country. The end scene where the goat and the mule look at each other sorta says "So now what?"

Am I getting any closer?





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post Jun 15 2008, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (neB @ Jun 15 2008, 03:50 PM) *
Is anyone clear on the language of the song?

The guteral sound is what made me first think Frnch but if its not french then maybe its hebrew. When I double clciked on Yair's link the YuoTube page had hebrew replies (since (I think) hebrew occationally imbeds words within words I don't know enough to be able to use my hebrew-english lexicon). I had once read that all hebrew music was written in a minor key (is that an over generalization?) so this music passes that test.


Hem Hem.... French being gutural? i dont want to get out of the subject here, but, again: French is gutural?? Spanish maybe, German definitely, but French?

nono, your other guess is better.

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post Jun 15 2008, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE (Gabi1 @ Jun 15 2008, 10:51 AM) *
French is gutural?? Spanish maybe, German definitely, but French?

I agree that French sometimes sounds a little gutural eg: "du rien" - the "r" often sounds like it's way in the back of the thoat.

I think Ben really meant "gutural" (throaty), not "guteral" (from the gutter) biggrin.gif

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post Jun 15 2008, 05:19 PM
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